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Co nas zaskakuje w amerykańskim wicca?

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Co nas zaskakuje w amerykańskim wicca?

Postprzez Pétur » N sie 10, 2014 11:11 am

Ostatnio często trafiam na informacje o czarostwie i pogaństwie w USA, które są bardzo ciekawe ale jednocześnie wywołują pewną konsternację i niemałe zaskoczenie. Stworzyłem ten wątek, by dzielić się takimi dziwactwami i wszystkich też zachęcam do wrzucania rzeczy - zarówno tych nietypowych, jak i po prostu śmiesznych. ;)

Na pierwszy ogień: Wiccańskie harcerstwo :D

Jak mówi wikipedia: "SpiralScouts International is a United States-based youth organization based on Wiccan symbolism and values, but explicitly for children of all faiths. SpiralScouts is a program where girls and boys of minority faiths can work, grow, and learn together. Pete Davis stated in reference to the group, “There needs to be a group that will include all children and families, regardless of creed, color, gender, or sexual orientation. Boys and girls should learn together, just like in the real world, not segregating little soldiers over here and little homemakers over there”. SpiralScouts International promotes learning, peace, personal and environmental responsibility and service to one's community. Its activities are based on the classical basic elements of earth, air, fire, water and spirit."

http://www.spiralscouts.org/
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Re: Co nas zaskakuje w amerykańskim wicca?

Postprzez Arek » Pn sie 11, 2014 4:09 pm

Mnie zaskoczyło stwierdzenie, że wszyscy wiccanie muszą być wegetarianami, które krążyło kiedyś w Internecie.
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Re: Co nas zaskakuje w amerykańskim wicca?

Postprzez Pétur » Pn sie 11, 2014 5:18 pm

A propos dyskusji o wiccańskim credo i wiccańskich dogmatach (których jak słusznie dowiedziono na tym forum - nie ma :P ):

Otóż w Seattle w stanie Washington mieści się wiccańskie seminarium duchowne! Można się doń zapisać i po ukończeniu nauki otrzymać stosowny dyplom potwierdzający uzyskane wykształcenie w zakresie wiccańskiej teologii ("Woolston-Steen is a state recognized Wiccan College, and was also the first to gain such recognition. The State of Washington’s Higher Education Coordinating Board has granted us the ability to grant degrees and certifications in Wicca Theology.")

Uczelnia nadaje tytuły licencjata (bachelor), magistra (master) i doktora (tylko pod warunkiem, że kandydat jest praktykującym wiccaninem) oraz oprócz tego oferuje możliwość "tradycyjnej" inicjacji 1, 2 i 3 stopnia. W ramach jej struktury istnieją cztery wydziały - Wydział Magii (przedmioty: Natural Magic, Herbs, Animal Studies, Crystals, Divination, Ceremonial Magic, and the 8 Paths to Power), Wydział Rytuału (przedmioty: Ritual Construction, Sabbat Studies, Moon Studies, Shrine Scenes, and Rites of Passage Study), Wydział Mitu (przedmioty: Greek, Celtic, Egyptian, Norse, Asian, The Americas, Hindu mythology) i Wydział Wicca (przedmioty: Wiccan History, Ethics, Church Government, Pagan Family, Environmentalism and Wiccan Sciences).

http://wiccanseminary.edu/

Cóż ma jednak zrobić biedny człowiek, który mieszka w Polsce a też chciałby skorzystać z dobrodziejstw oferowanych przez tę renomowaną placówkę? Dla takich osób stworzony jest Online Virtual Campus w grze interentowej Second Life w którym można sprzed ekranu swojego komputera uczestniczyć w zajęciach, wykładach i rytuałach.



A jaki korzyści czerpie się z posiadania tytuły naukowego w wiccańskiej teologii? Dział FAQs odpowiada:
Anything you could do with any other religious degree. People with religious degrees serve their chosen communities, teach, minister in social programs such as prison ministry, etc.

Czesne waha się między 39 a 79 dolarów miesięcznie. W zależności od rocznego przychodu. Są chętni? :lol:

BTW
Ciekawe czy Arcybiskup Wicca też studiował na tej uczelni? ;) (http://forum.wiccanski-krag.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=865)
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Re: Co nas zaskakuje w amerykańskim wicca?

Postprzez Sheila » Wt sie 12, 2014 7:35 am

Jak się nad tym zastanawiam, to się obawiam, że w Polsce za czas jakiś będzie podobna szkoła, albo kościół wiccański albo coś...
Niestety, Wicca jest w swojej istocie mało sformalizowaną religią - niestety, bo w Polsce uwielbiamy papierologię. I jak w Stanach na wszystko trzeba mieć dyplom albo certyfikat, w Polsce gdzie się nie ruszysz, musisz podać zaświadczenie, poświadczenie, załącznik, formularz... Pewnie niedługo tak będzie, że żeby odprawić jakiś rytuał, będzie trzeba mieć na to papier :P
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Re: Co nas zaskakuje w amerykańskim wicca?

Postprzez Pétur » Wt sie 12, 2014 8:27 am

Pewnie niedługo tak będzie, że żeby odprawić jakiś rytuał, będzie trzeba mieć na to papier :P


Myślę, że nie będzie chyba tak źle - chyba, że jakaś grupa nadgorliwców zacznie dążyć do wpisania wicca na ministerialną listę kościołów i związków wyznaniowych - i by to osiągnąć wprowadzi pewne twórcze ingerencję w BTW... Wtedy wicca uzyska osobowość prawną, lecz na potrzeby rejestracji trzeba będzie przedłożyć właściwym organom spisaną, jedną ogólnie obowiązującą wszystkich wiccan doktrynę oraz wyznaczyć ogólnopolskiego zwierzchnika wszystkich kowenów. A potem już pójdzie z górki - powstaną wiccańskie seminaria, wiccański episkopat (ze wszystkimi teologicznymi i bioetycznymi komisjami) oraz zostaną wybudowane świątynie. Przerażająca wizja... ;)

No ale jeżeli swoje związki wyznaniowe zarejestrowali już różokrzyżowcy, hare kryszna, słowiańscy rodzimowiercy (4 niezależne związki) i panteiści, może następni w kolejce są już jacyś eklektyczni wiccanie...

Swoją drogą ciekawe jest to, że oficjalnie uwzględnione w rejestrze religie muszą reprezentować jeden konkretny schemat:
- jedna oficjalna doktryna
- jeden przywódca/zwierzchnik
- hierarchiczny ustrój
- nakierowanie na "propagowanie, wyznawanie i szerzenie wiary religijnej"

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Z uwagi na znaczącą liczbę wiccan w siłach zbrojnych USA religia czarownic została uwzględniona w pubikacji Religious Requirements and Practices of Certain Selected Groups: a Handbook for Chaplains (U.S. Government Publication No.008-020-00745-5). Oto skrót informacji w niej zawartych:

WICCA

ADDRESS: No central address. Wiccan worship groups, called covens, are essentially autonomous. Many, but far from all, have affiliated with: Covenant of the Goddess, P.O. Box 1226 Berkeley, CA 94704

OTHER NAMES BY WHICH KNOWN: Witchcraft; Goddess worshippers; Neo-Paganism, Paganism, Norse (or any other ethnic designation) Paganism, Earth Religion, Old Religion, Druidism, Shamanism. Note: All of these groups have some basic similarities and many surface differences of expression with Wicca.

LEADERSHIP: No central leadership. The Covenant of the Goddess annually elects a First Officer and there is a constitutional limit of two consecutive terms, but in practice officers have almost always served for one year only. In 1991, there are two co-First Officers, Phoenix Whitebirch and Brandy Williams.

MEMBERSHIP: Because of the complete autonomy of covens, this cannot be determined. There are an estimated of 50,000 Wiccans in the United States (1).

HISTORICAL ORIGIN: Wicca is a reconstruction of the Nature worship of tribal Europe, strongly influenced by the living Nature worship traditions of tribal peoples in other parts of the world. The works of such early twentieth century writers as Margaret Murray, Robert Graves and Gerald B. Gardner began the renewal of interest in the Old Religion. After the repeal of the anti-Witchcraft laws in Britain in 1951, Gardner publicly declared himself a Witch and began to gather a group of students and worshipers. In 1962, two of his students, Raymond and Rosemary Buckland (religious names: Lady Rowen and Robat), emigrated to the United States and began teaching Gardnerian Witchcraft here. At the same time, other groups of people became interested through reading books by Gardner and others. Many covens were spontaneously formed, using rituals created from a combination of research and individual inspiration. These self-created covens are today regarded as just as valid as those who can trace a "lineage" of teaching back to England. In 1975, a very diverse group of covens who wanted to secure the legal protections and benefits of church status formed Covenant of the Goddess (CoG), which is incorporated in the State of California and recognized by the Internal Revenue Service. CoG does not represent all, or even a majority of Wiccans. A coven or an individual need not be affiliated with CoG in order to validly practice the religion. But CoG is the largest single public Wiccan organization, and it is cross-Traditional (i.e. non-denominational).

BASIC BELIEFS: Wiccans worship the sacred as immanent in Nature, often personified as Mother Earth and Father Sky. As polytheists, they may use many other names for Deity. Individuals will often choose Goddesses or Gods from any of the world's pantheons whose stories are particularly inspiring and use those Deities as a focus for personal devotions. Similarly, covens will use particular Deity names as a group focus, and these are often held secret by the groups. It is very important to be aware that Wiccans do not in any way worship or believe in "Satan," "the Devil," or any similar entities. They point out that "Satan" is a symbol of rebellion against and inversion of the Christian and Jewish traditions. Wiccans do not revile the Bible. They simply regard it as one among many of the world's mythic systems, less applicable than some to their core values, but still deserving just as much respect as any of the others. Most Wiccan groups also practice magic, by which they mean the direction and use of "psychic energy," those natural but invisible forces which surround all living things. Some members spell the word "magick," to distinguish it from sleight of hand entertainments. Wiccans employ such means as dance, chant, creative visualization and hypnosis to focus and direct psychic energy for the purpose of healing, protecting and aiding members in various endeavors. Such assistance is also extended to non-members upon request. Many, but not all, Wiccans believe in reincarnation. Some take this as a literal description of what happens to people when they die. For others, it is a symbolic model that helps them deal with the cycles and changes within this life. Neither Reincarnation nor any other literal belief can be used as a test of an individual's validity as a member of the Old Religion. Most groups have a handwritten collection of rituals and lore, known as a Book of Shadows. Part of the religious education of a new member will be to hand copy this book for him or herself. Over they years, as inspiration provides, new material will be added. Normally, access to these books is limited to initiated members of the religion.

PRACTICES AND BEHAVIORAL STANDARDS: The core ethical statement of Wicca, called the "Wiccan Rede" states "an it harm none, do what you will." The Rede fulfills the same function as does the "Golden Rule" for Jews and Christians; all other ethical teachings are considered to be elaborations and applications of the Rede. It is a statement of situational ethics, emphasizing at once the individual's responsibility to avoid harm to others and the widest range of personal autonomy in "victimless" activities. Wicca has been described as having a "high-choice" ethic. Because of the basic Nature orientation of the religion, many Wiccans will regard all living things as Sacred, and show a special concern for ecological issues. For this reason, individual conscience will lead some to take a pacifist position. Some are vegetarians. Others will feel that, as Nature's Way includes self-defense, they should participate in wars that they conscientiously consider to be just. The religion does not dictate either position, but requires each member to thoughtfully and meditatively examine her or his own conscience and to live by it. Social forces generally do not yet allow Witches to publicly declare their religious faith without fear of reprisals such as loss of job, child custody challenges, ridicule, etc. Prejudice against Wiccans is the result of public confusion between Witchcraft and Satanism. Wiccans in the military, especially those who may be posted in countries perceived to be particularly intolerant, will often have their dogtags read "No Religious Preference." Concealment is a traditional Wiccan defense against persecution, so non-denominational dogtags should not contravene a member's request for religious services. Wiccans celebrate eight festivals, called "Sabbats," as a means of attunement to the seasonal rhythms of Nature.

Some groups find meetings within a few days of those dates to be acceptable, others require the precise date. In addition, most groups will meet for worship at each Full Moon, and many will also meet on the New Moon. Meetings for religious study will often be scheduled at any time convenient to the members, and rituals can be scheduled whenever there is a need (i.e. for a healing). Ritual jewelry is particularly important to many Wiccans. In addition to being a symbol of religious dedication, these talismans are often blessed by the coven back home and felt to carry the coven's protective and healing energy.

ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE: Most Wiccans meet with a coven, a small group of people. Each coven is autonomous. Most are headed by a High Priestess, often with the assistance of a High Priest. Some are headed by a High Priestess or High Priest without a partner, and some regard themselves as a gathering of equals. Covens can be of mixed gender, or all female or male, depending on the preferences of the members. Every initiate is considered to be a priestess or priest. Most covens are small. Thirteen is the traditional maximum number of members, although not an absolute limit. At that size covens form a close bond, so Wiccans in the military are likely to maintain a strong affiliation with their covens back home. There are many distinct "Traditions" of Wicca, just as there are many denominations within Christianity. The spectrum of Wiccan practice can be described as ranging from "traditional" to "eclectic," with Traditions, covens and individuals fitting anywhere within that range. A typical difference would be that more traditional groups would tend to follow a set liturgy, whereas eclectic groups would emphasize immediate inspiration in worship. These distinctions are not particularly important to the military chaplain, since it is unlikely that enough members of any one Tradition would be at the same base. Worship circles at military facilities are likely to be ad-hoc cross-Traditional groups, working out compromise styles of worship for themselves and constantly adapting them to a changing membership. Therefore, the lack of strict adherence to the patterns of any one Tradition is not an indicator of invalidity. While many Wiccans meet in a coven, there are also a number of solitairies. These are individuals who choose to practice their faith alone. The may have been initiated in a coven or self initiated. They will join with other Wiccans to celebrate the festivals or to attend the various regional events organized by the larger community.

ROLE OF MINISTERS: Within a traditional coven, the High Priestess, usually assisted by her High Priest, serves both as leader in the rituals and as teacher and counselor for coven members and unaffiliated Pagans. Eclectic covens tend to share leadership more equally.

WORSHIP: Wiccans usually worship in groups. Individuals who are currently not affiliated with a coven, or are away from their home coven, may choose to worship privately or may form ad-hoc groups to mark religious occasions. Non-participating observers are not generally welcome at Wiccan rituals. Some, but not all, Wiccan covens worship in the nude ("skyclad") as a sign of attunement with Nature. Most, but not all, Wiccan covens bless and share a cup of wine as part of the ritual. Almost all Wiccans use an individual ritual knife (an "athame") to focus and direct personal energy. Covens often also have ritual swords to direct the energy of the group. These tools, like all other ritual tools, are highly personal and should never leave the possession of the owner. Other commonly used ritual tools include a bowl of water, a bowl of salt, a censer with incense, a disk with symbols engraved on it (a "pentagram"), statues or artwork representing the Goddess and God, and candles. Most groups will bless and share bread or cookies along with the wine. All of these items are used in individual, private worship as well as in congregate rituals.

DIETARY LAWS OR RESTRICTIONS: None.

FUNERAL AND BURIAL REQUIREMENTS: None. Recognition of the death of a member takes place within the coven, apart from the body of the deceased. Ritual tools, materials, or writings found among the effects of the deceased should be returned to their home coven (typically a member will designate a person to whom ritual materials should be sent). It is desirable for a Wiccan priest or priestess to be present at the time of death, but not strictly necessary. If not possible, the best assistance would be to make the member as comfortable as possible, listen to whatever they have to say, honor any possible requests, and otherwise leave them as quiet and private as possible.

MEDICAL TREATMENT: No medical restrictions. Wiccans generally believe in the efficacy of spiritual or psychic healing when done in tandem with standard medical treatment. Therefore, at the request of the patient, other Wiccan personnel should be allowed visiting privileges as though they were immediate family, including access to Intensive Care Units. Most Wiccans believe that healing energy can be sent from great distances, so, if possible, in the case of any serious medical condition, the member's home coven should be notified.

OTHER: With respect to attitude toward military service, Wiccans range from career military personnel to conscientious objectors. Wiccans do not proselytize and generally resent those who do. They believe that no one Path to the Sacred is right for all people, and see their own religious pattern as only one among many that are equally worthy. Wiccans respect all religions that foster honor and compassion in their adherents, and expect the same respect. Members are encouraged to learn about all faiths, and are permitted to attend the services of other religions, should they desire to do so.
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GENERAL SOURCE BOOKS

The best general survey of the Wiccan and neo-Pagan movement is: Adler, Margot. Drawing Down the Moon. Boston: Beacon Press, 1986. 595pp
For more specific information about eclectic Wicca, see: Starhawk. The Spiral Dance. New York: Harper & Row, 1979.
For more specific information about traditional Wicca, see: Farrar, Janet, and Stewart Farrar:
Eight Sabbats for Witches. London: Robert Hale, 1981. 192pp.
The Witches' Way. London: Robert Hale, 1984. 394pp.

FOR MORE INFORMATION

Pagan Military Network, Inc has a web site at: http://www.milpagan.org/
The Witches' Voice maintains a list of Pagan military groups at: http://www.witchvox.net/links/net_military.html
Because of the autonomy of each coven and the wide variance of specific ritual practices, the best contact person would be the High Priestess or other leader of the member's home coven.
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Re: Co nas zaskakuje w amerykańskim wicca?

Postprzez Sheila » Wt sie 12, 2014 10:17 am

Fajna ciekawostka... "Brak organu, brak centralizacji, brak danych, brak restrykcji, brak danych..." XD

O tym schemacie myślenia kategoriami religii bliskowschodnich pisałam m/in w toppicu o wiccańskim credo/fatio ;) Pewnie można by stworzyć jakiś sztuczny, parawiccański twór, który mógłby być wpisany na ministerialną listę związków rejestrowanych, ale po co? Sama ta lista jest potrzebna jak dziura w moście.
Poza tym ja już rejestrację jednego związku popieram, więc na razie zobaczmy, jak pójdzie pastafarianom :D

Na dokładkę proponuję jeszcze wpisać w dokumentację, że Wicca jest amoralna i aspołeczna, co zaraz ktoś pomyli z antymoralnością i antyspołecznością i awantura gotowa :twisted:
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Re: Co nas zaskakuje w amerykańskim wicca?

Postprzez Pétur » Wt sie 12, 2014 12:04 pm

Kolejna ciekawostka:

W USA toczy się (zimna?) wojna między sektami chrześcijańskimi a szeroko pojętym wicca i neopogaństwem. W dużej mierze areną działań wojennych jest internet - myślę, że każdy choć raz trafił na jakąś stronę lub film w internecie w którym pobożny pastor demaskuje wicca jako kult szatana. ;)

"Wrogowie Chrystusa" nie są jednak dłużni i tworzą takie fajne strony jak ta, demaskujące i wyśmiewające chrześcijańską "propagandę":
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0702/wiccans.html
Mnie bardzo rozśmieszył poradnik "Spotting Wiccans - This information could save a Christian life!"

btw. na stronie jest też dobrze zaopatrzony sklep z gadżetami: http://www.cafepress.com/landoverbaptist/6584809 :)
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Re: Co nas zaskakuje w amerykańskim wicca?

Postprzez Arek » Wt sie 12, 2014 5:35 pm

"Jesus is the reason..." - super to jest :lol:
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Re: Co nas zaskakuje w amerykańskim wicca?

Postprzez Pétur » Wt sie 12, 2014 6:23 pm

Mnie się najbardziej spodobało to: :D

What Are Wiccans Skilled At?:

Wiccans usually bring home better grades at school than most of their peers. This is not because they are more intelligent, but rather because they cheat by casting spells and hexes on their teachers. Their master (Satan) is also highly adept at moving their pudgy little fingers in the right direction on a test paper. It is also important to note here that if a Wiccan is sober enough to vote, it will always be for a Democrat. The word "democrat" is closely associated with the word, "demon." Most True Christians commonly refer to Democrats as "Demoncrats" and already keep a firearm handy during election time, so this information might be redundant for some.
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Re: Co nas zaskakuje w amerykańskim wicca?

Postprzez Agni » Wt sie 12, 2014 6:53 pm

A nie ma tam moze wiadomosci ze wiccanie kieruja swiatem (oczywiscie z ukrycia)?
NIE JEST MIARĄ ZDROWIA BYĆ DOBRZE PRZYSTOSOWANYM DO GŁĘBOKO CHOREGO SPOŁECZEŃSTWA (Krishnamurti)

Jestem odpowiedzialna tylko za to co mówię, nie ponoszę odpowiedzialności za to co kto zrozumie. Informuję wszystkich czytelników, że nie jest moją intencją nikogo obrażać. Otwarcie wyrażam swoje poglądy na Wicca bo mam do tego prawo. Jeśli ktoś mnie nie rozumie albo widzi w tym co napisałam atak - proszę się dopytać i upewnić się a nie zakładać. Większość konfliktów bierze się z nieporozumień. PL&PT, Blessed Be!
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